Taking Collaborative Notes at BlogTalk [en]

A detailed write-up of the collective note-taking operation we ran at BlogTalk. We took notes together using SubEthaEdit and then posted them to a wiki so that they can be further annotated. The story, and questions this experience raises for me.

As many of you now know, a bunch of us were taking notes together with SubEthaEdit during the BlogTalk 2.0 conference. In this post, I’d like to give some details about what we did, how we did it, and what can be said or learnt about our experience.

I’d like to stress that this was not my idea. I think this collaborative note-taking is a very good example of what happens when you put a bunch of people together with ideas and resources: the result really belongs to all, and credit should go to the group (even though in this case, I don’t think I can identify all the members of this “group”).

The Story

At the beginning of the conference, I was discovering the joys of RendezVous and eagerly saying hi to the small dozen of people I could see online. Sometime during the first panel, I was asked (by Cyprien?) if I had SubEthaEdit, because they were using that to take notes. I downloaded it (thus contributing to the death of wifi and bandwidth), and after a brief struggle managed to display a RendezVous list of users on the network (shortcut: Cmd-K) currently running SubEthaEdit.

I joined Lee Bryant‘s document, which was open for read/write sharing. It contained text (what a surprise!) mainly highlighted in yellow (Lee’s colour, the main note-taker). We were four or five in there at that point. (From Lee’s first publication of the notes I gather that the two others were Roland and Stephan — or rather Leo on Stephan’s computer, like later in the day?) It took a couple of minutes for me to feel comfortable in there, and I started contributing by adding a few links I knew of, on the subject of video blogs. The act of writing in the document made me feel quickly at home with the other note-takers. At some point, I started actively pestering those logged into RendezVous so that they would join us if they had SubEthaEdit (particularly if they were already visible in SubEthaEdit!)

Lee wasn’t there at the beginning of the third panel, so I opened up a document myself in SubEthaEdit, and with a little help managed to open it up to others for reading and writing (File > Access Control > Read/Write) and “announce” it so that other participants could see it. There had already been some hurried talk of publishing our notes, and at some point, Suw (who was keeping up with what was going on on my screen) suggested we should publish them on a wiki. After a quick check with other participants (and with Suw: “you don’t think Joi would mind, do you?”), I grabbed Joi’s wiki and started creating pages and pasting the notes into them.

We continued like that throughout the afternoon and into the next day. As soon as a speaker would have finished and the note-taking seemed to stop, I would copy and paste everything into the wiki.

Update 17:30: Malte took a screenshot of us taking notes in SubEthaEdit. It will give you a good idea of what it was like.

Reflecting on the Experience

So, now that I have told you the story, what can be said about the way we worked together during this conference? I’m trying to raise questions here, and would be really interested in hearing what others have to say.

Working as a team to take notes has clear advantages: Lee was able to go out and get coffee, and catch up with the notes when he came back. When I couldn’t type anymore, Suw took my computer over and literally transcribed the last couple of panels (OK, that could have been done without the collaborative note-taking, but I had to fit it in somewhere.)

Still in the “team theme”, different roles can be taken by the note-takers: sometimes there is a main note-taker (I noticed this had a tendancy to happen when people wrote long sentences, but there might be other factors — any theories on this welcome), sometimes a few people “share” the main note-taking. Some people will correct typos, and rearrange formatting, adding titles, indenting, adding outside links. Some people add personal comments, notes, questions. Others try to round up more participants or spend half a talk fighting with wiki pages ūüėČ

At one point, I felt a little bad as I was missing out on the current talk with all my wiki-activity. But as Suw says about being part of the hivemind, I don’t think it matters. I acted as a facilitator. I brought out notes to people who were not at the conference. I allowed those more actively taking notes to concentrate on that and not worry about the publication. I went out to try and get other/more/new people interested in collaborating with us. I said to Suw: “keep on tzping, and don’t worrz that zour y’s and z’s are all mixed up because of mz swiss kezboard layout,” while Horst patiently changed them back.

What is the ideal number of note-takers in a SubEthaEdit session? Our sessions ranged from 5-10 participants, approximately. When numbers were fewer, a higher proportion were actively participating. When they were larger, there were lots of “lurkers”. Where they watching the others type, or had they just gone off to do something else, confident that there were already enough active note-takers?

The “Lee Bryant Experiment”, which I will blog about later, set me thinking about the nature of note-taking and notes. What purpose do notes serve? Is it useful to watch others taking notes, or does it really add something when you take them yourself? How concise should good notes be? How does a transcript (what Suw was virtually doing) compare to more note-like notes?

Formatting is an issue which could be fixed. SubEthaEdit is a very raw text editor, so we note-takers tend to just indent and visually organise information on our screen. Once pasted in the wiki, though, a lot of that spatial information is lost. It got a bit better once we knew the notes would be wikified, as we integrated some wiki mark-up (like stars for lists) in our notes, from the start. What could be useful is to put a little cheat-sheet of the wiki mark-up to be used inside the SubEthaEdit document, for the note-takers (just as I defined a “chat zone” at the bottom of the working document, so that we could “meta-communicate” without parasiting the notes themselves).

Some have found the notes precious, others wonder if we were smoking anything while we took them. Nobody really seems interested in editing them now they are on the wiki — or is it still a bit too soon after the conference? Here is the Technorati page for BlogTalkViennaNotes.

How groundbreaking was what we did? How often do people take notes collaboratively with SubEthaEdit in conferences? It seemed to be a “first time” for many of the participants, so I guess it isn’t that common. Have you done it already? What is your experience of it? How often do people put up notes or transcripts of conferences on wikis?

Discipline is needed to separate the actual notes (ie, “what the conferencer said”) from the note-taker comments (ie, extra links, commentary, questions, remarks). This isn’t a big issue when a unique person is taking notes for his or her private use, but it becomes really important when more people are involved. I think that although we did do this to some extent, we were a bit sloppy about it.

Information on the wiki page, apart from the notes, should also include pointers to the official presentation the talker made available (not always easy to find!), and I’m also trying to suggest that people who have done proper write-ups of the talks (see Philipp’s write-ups, they are impressive) to add links to them from the appropriate wiki pages (Topic Exchange is great, but lacks detail).

Participants, as far as I could make out, were: Leo, Lee, Roland, Cyprien, Horst, Mark, Malte, Bj√∂rn, Omar, Paolo, Suw and myself. [to be completed] (If you took part in the note-taking, please leave a comment — I’m having trouble tracking you all down.) I did see Ben Trott online in SubEthaEdit while he and Mena were giving their talk, and was tempted to invite him into our note-taking session — but I was too shy and didn’t dare. And thanks to Joi for being so generous with the Joiwiki!

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BlogTalk 2.0, Compte-Rendu [fr]

Un compte-rendu en fran√ßais de la conf√©rence viennoise sur les weblogs √†¬† laquelle j’ai assist√© en d√©but de semaine. Beaucoup de conf√©rences int√©ressantes, beaucoup de gens, une utilisation int√©ressante de la technologie, et beaucoup d’id√©es pour des billets √†¬† √©crire!

De retour juste √†¬† temps pour mon 30 anniversaire apr√®s l’excellente conf√©rence Blogtalk √†¬† Vienne, il est temps que je tienne ma promesse √†¬† Pascale et que j’offre pitance √†¬† mes lecteurs francophones. Cela d’autant plus que je crois bien avoir √©t√© la seule repr√©sentante de la blogosph√®re francophone √†¬† cette conf√©rence (pas que je pr√©tende √†¬† une quelconque autorit√© officielle pour la repr√©senter) — j’adorerais apprendre que je me trompe.

Un mot tout d’abord pour dire que je regrette l’absence de Lo√Įc √†¬† cette conf√©rence. Premi√®rement, cela aurait √©t√© sympathique de pouvoir faire sa connaissance, et deuxi√®mement (comme je le mentionne plus haut), la francophonie √©tait clairement sous-repr√©sent√©e lors cet √©v√©nement de port√©e europ√©enne. Sans vouloir faire de Lo√Įc le porte-drapeau de la blogosph√®re francophone (loin de l√†¬†!), je pense que la pr√©sence d’un weblogueur francophone tel que lui, m√©diatique et de surcroit propri√©taire d’une entreprise comme U-blog, aurait am√©lior√© la visibilit√© de cette conf√©rence aupr√®s des blogueurs francophones, contribuant par l√†¬† √†¬† ouvrir notre petite blogosph√®re parfois un peu trop ronronnante √†¬† ce qui se passe ailleurs en Europe. Weblogueurs francophones (Lo√Įc ou autres!), je compte bien vous croiser √†¬† BlogTalk l’ann√©e prochaine!

Alors, de quoi √ßa a parl√©? De nombreuses conf√©rences, que je dois encore dig√©rer, et dont je tenterai de vous rapporter les plus marquantes au cours de ces prochains jours; mais surtout, les conversations informelles naissant des rencontres de couloir, que ce soit dans le cyberespace ou l’Urania proprement dit. C’est ce c√īt√© “social-geek”, que j’ai √©norm√©ment appr√©ci√© au cours des quelques derniers jours, que je d√©sire partager avec vous aujourd’hui.

Les personnes avec lesquelles j’ai le plus parl√© et pass√© du temps, clairement, sont Lee Bryant, Suw Charman, et Horst Prillinger (Horst est sans conteste le meilleur guide dont on puisse r√™ver pour visiter Vienne, y manger et s’y d√©placer). J’ai rencontr√© et parl√© avec bien d’autres personnes int√©ressantes durant ce s√©jour, √©videmment. Je tenterai de vous parler d’eux ces prochains jours. Disons pour le moment que ce fut un r√©el plaisir de discuter avec autant de gens intelligents, cultiv√©s, et comprenant les weblogs et la technologie.

J’avais d√©j√†¬† bri√®vement rencontr√© Suw √†¬† Londres et nous parlons r√©guli√®rement sur IRC depuis de longs mois. Quant √†¬† Horst, habitant Vienne, il avait post√© un grand nombre d’informations utiles sur la page wiki BlogTalkVienna. Apr√®s une journ√©e √†¬† marcher seule √†¬† travers Vienne jusqu’√†¬† plus de jambes, je lui ai envoy√© un mot pour proposer que l’on se rencontre (je me souvenais √©galement que Suw allait loger chez lui). Lee, dont Suw m’avait parl√© puisqu’ils s’√©taient retrouv√©s dans le m√™me avion, est une rencontre que je dois √†¬† RendezVous (RendezVous existe aussi pour Windows et Linux) et SubEthaEdit, deux jouets geek pour OSX qui m’ont rendue encore plus contente qu’avant de faire partie de la Communaut√© de la Pomme.

Que sont donc ces deux jouets? RendezVous permet de connecter et de rendre visible les uns aux autres les diff√©rents utilisateurs connect√©s sur un m√™me r√©seau local. Concr√®tement: BlogTalk, comme toute conf√©rence geek qui se respecte, fournit wifi et connection Internet √†¬† ses participants. Une fois connect√©e au r√©seau, je lance iChat (le programme pour AIM fourni avec Mac), et j’ouvre la fen√™tre RendezVous. Je vois automatiquement une liste des autres personnes sur le r√©seau ayant effectu√© la m√™me manipulation que moi — comme on voit ses contacts sur ICQ ou MSN, √†¬† la diff√©rence qu’ici, il n’y a pas besoin “d’ajouter les contacts”: on se retrouve avec une liste de noms dans sa liste, inconnus ou non, √†¬† qui l’on peut envoyer des messages.

Ma premi√®re mission a donc √©t√© d’aller dire bonjour √†¬† la petite dizaine de personnes connect√©es, puisque je ne connaissais personne ūüôā — j’ai √©t√© tr√®s bien accueillie. Au cours d’une conversation, quelqu’un (je ne suis plus s√Ľre qui!) m’a demand√© si j’avais SubEthaEdit, parce que Lee Bryant y avait ouvert un document dans lequel on pouvait tous prendre des notes ensemble, en collaboration. Ni une, ni deux, j’ai t√©l√©charg√© et install√© le programme. SubEthaEdit, c’est comme un Notepad multi-joueurs, ou une page wiki instantan√©e. On peut afficher une liste des membres du r√©seau ayant SubEthaEdit en train de tourner, et ouvrir les documents partag√©s par ceux-ci. Des couleurs diff√©rencient les diff√©rentes personnes en train d’√©diter un document, et tout se passe en temps r√©el: on voit les gens taper.

Assez vite, la petite √©quipe qui prenait des notes s’est mise d’accord pour les mettre en ligne. Suw a sugg√©r√© de les mettre sur une page wiki, afin que les personnes sans Mac ni SubEthaEdit (dont elle faisait partie — mais elle a promis qu’on la verrait l’ann√©e prochaine avec son propre iBook ou PowerBook!) puissent √©galement contribuer √†¬† l’effort collectif. Sit√īt sugg√©r√©, sit√īt fait: au fur et √†¬† mesure que les conf√©renciers terminaient leur pr√©sentation, je mettais nos notes en ligne sur le wiki de Joi. Les notes sont pour le moment mal formatt√©es, et b√©n√©ficieront d’un peu de jardinage afin que d’autres puissent les compl√©ter, ajouter leurs commentaires, des liens vers leurs comptes-rendus ou encore les pr√©sentations mises en ligne par les conf√©renciers eux-m√™mes.

Histoire d’√©viter de donner √†¬† ce billet une longueur parfaitement indigeste (si le mal n’est pas d√©j√†¬† fait!), je terminerai en mentionnant les th√®mes de conversations informelles que j’ai eues et qui m’inspirent pour des billets ou autres √©crits (pas toujours en fran√ßais, malheureusement).

  • Probl√®matique des weblogs multilingues, et comment un outil comme WordPress peut √™tre adapt√© pour les g√©rer; ce qu’on peut faire pour rendre un weblog multilingue plus sympathique √†¬† ses lecteurs monolingues (attendez-vous √†¬† des changements par ici!
  • Reconnaissance vocale, ce que j’ai accompli avec, et ce que je pense que l’on devrait pouvoir faire avec cette technologie dans un futur proche.
  • Langues et Internet: fronti√®res, langues minoritaires. R√©flexions sur la “blogosph√®re suisse” — existe-t-elle seulement?
  • Comment faire une pr√©sentation de qualit√© √†¬† une conf√©rence (Suw et moi avons un article en pr√©paration sur le sujet).
  • Suggestions pour organisateurs de conf√©rences pour geeks (in√©vitable).
  • R√©flexion sur les diff√©rents vecteurs et supports de contenu entrant en jeu lors d’une pr√©sentation orale.
  • Weblogs et enseignement, bien entendu…
  • Une exp√©rience organis√©e avec Lee, consistant √†¬† coller √†¬† mesure ses propres notes dans le document SubEthaEdit
  • Rencontres diverses

(Je mettrai des liens quand les billets seront √©crits, si j’oublie, rappelez-le-moi!)

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