Pete Blackshaw: Disrupting a 150-Year-Old Swiss Company in a Digital World (Swiss Marketing Vaud) [en]

Rough notes of Pete’s talk. Any mistakes my own. Double-check if something seems weird!

Can a 150-year-old company act like a startup? Pete thinks so.

Today: Not work/life balance, but advantage. Managing tension as a success criteria for leadership. Trifecta: internal/external innovation, and open innovation.

In the digital space so much of what we do in our personal lives has unique value for what we’re doing on the professional front. Pete is an active content creator. Snapchat, YouTube, facebook… Learning valuable lessons for business while using these tools personally.

“Trust your inner consumer.” Remedy for too many numbers thrown at you.

Learned: a photo with a swiss icon on it, 100 likes, add a kid, add 100 likes, add a dog… You learn a lot by testing stuff in your personal life.


First real business: undegrad at University of California Santa Cruz, designed logo, was super popular and helped him travel to Europe etc. Then got a call that a director wanted to use the T-shirt in a film. Tarantino! Travolta!

Suddenly swamped by media queries (1st-year business student wondering if he was going to flunk). Created a website: “World Famous Slugwear” — right around when Mosaic came out.

Other big epiphany: at P&G (“never be afraid to write the memo”), understood the internet is fundamentally about feedback loops. Feedback is currency for relationship marketing. There are very predictable talk drivers that get people to talk positively or negatively about companies. Fast food: biggest negative talk driver = hygiene. Retail: training of employees. Wireless: money.

Passion around social media, feedback loops, talk drivers. What makes people talk positively or negatively about Nestle? The internet is a world of debits and credits. The most important thing is nurturing brand credibility.

Personal: loves creating media, even if a bit goofy. Leading by example! Has vowed (not hard) to create a video every time he does a family outing.

Shows us short video of visiting Nestle’s Nest with the kids.

Pete thinks his personal media production stresses out people at Nestle a lot! Cranking out videos in less than a day… Can reference his personal experience when he’s told “ah no, it’s going to cost way more, take more time…”

Managing tension. Digital discussions often get way too technical. Tensions in the digital space: Digital Dualisms (google them).

Big one: integration vs. stimulation (standalone or integrated with everything?) Answer: yes and yes, all depends on context. Example: Nestle’s “Brand Building the Nestle Way” (pre-digital truths/principals) => has been able to move reasonably fast in Nestle by referencing these principles.

Ultimately everything is going to be digital (go for the CMO jobs, not the digital jobs).

Another good one: ROI vs. intuition. /steph-note: oh yeah/ — we need data to justify big investments but we can leverage intuition in the digital space (cf. work-life advantage => leaps of faith). Good leaders understand that tension and balance it, know when to use numbers and when to use intuition.

Another: Formal vs. informal power. Large companies can be very hierarchical, rules of admission, protocols. Digital space empowering “lower levels” in the company. Challenge for the organisation but also opportunity! Try and play both sides. The digital space has really opened up the informal power area.

Enabler vs Gatekeeper: as leaders we have to drive compliance, enforce privacy, etc. Non-negotiables. But if you’re trying to make an organisation more like a startup, you have to be an enabler.

To get ahead in the digital space you need to test like crazy, but also need to know when to stop.

Collaboration vs. Chaos. Careful!

OK, Nestle now. Focus on the innovation side. What are we trying to accomplish.

Declare ambition to lead, even if it seems unattainable initially.

powered by data, automation, (missed third) => simplified roadmap.

If you declare an ambition to be a leader, vendors run twice as fast towards you. Tested a bunch of new ad formats (facebook, instagram, etc) — be the first to test, even if we don’t know if it is going to work.

The ad formats are changing constantly. Use metrics to guide your work, but you can’t rest on your laurels (startuppy!)

Personalised Consumer Experiences (PCE). Pete doesn’t like the term CRM (yesterday’s legacy). Trying to build smart discipline in this area. Earned media as much as paid media. Massive opportunity to find more buyers via digital channels. More spend per buyer, too, but most of all, more media per buyer. That will lower the cost of marketing, because earned media is much more effective.

Innovation trifecta.

1) Internal innovation. Here’s the story. To move a large organisation you need points of innovation that stimulate or maybe scare management (constructive paranoia!). In the Valley, you quickly feel restless. They’re moving too fast! Healthy tension. Inspired by the idea of a hackathon. What if we created a programme where we invited some of our best talent to park themselves for 8 months in a startup-type environment? Digital Acceleration Team. shows video of one of the classes

Worked great! Was an experiment, didn’t know where it would go. We generally underestimate the power of organisational virality.

Fast problem-solving. Kitchens.

Have now reverse-mentored over 100 executives.

2) External innovation. The environment is also moving fast! Have a Silicon Valley innovation outpost (not the only ones to do this). Swiss employee heading to the US, lots of relationships with startups, VCs, innovators over there. Trying to be close to innovation hubs. Nutrition and food solutions, enhanced brand experiences, everywhere commerce. A lot will fail but that doesn’t matter.

Example: app MyGerber/OVIA; Milo’s Bold “Service” Layer — tracker.

How do you add value on top of the physical layer?

3) July, normally, will unveil an open innovation platform (Henri). Pressure on Nestle too to meet expectations of small companies which might take part! Platform with projects, timeline, profiles… very entrepreneurial-friendly. Will see what clicks and what doesn’t with the community. Creating a digital context for businesses, entrepreneurs, etc, to have access. Not just physical space like in Silicon Valley.

Connecting the dots: the reciprocity advantage. People’s incentive to share is they know they’ll get advantages out of it. Nestle is a decentralised network, challenge and advantage. Leadership framework, works with digital.

Internal social network (chatter). Internal mastery drives external mastery. If you can get to your employees (attention span of a flea, stressed out, super tough audience!) then you’re ready. Pete posts a lot of content in there. You learn a lot! Hires people who share. Everyone in the team has to post updates before the weekly meeting. Getting “social” inside the company!

It’s not about flipping on a switch. You need to be a strong leader. steph-note: like I say, throwing social tools at people won’t make them use them

Other example. Trying to get websites more mobile-friendly. Sending memos has limits. So the DAT team created a show called “Mobile or Not” and stuck it on the intranet. steph-note: I understood “Mobile or Die”, better, no?

Social media is a huge motivator, so use it inside too! Mobile score card online. CMO’s calling Pete begging him not to feature them in Mobile or Not.

Final advice:

  • keep things really simple
  • the old still informs the new (Read Aristotle’s Rethoric! Scientific Advertising by Claude C. Hopkins) — get people to see they already know this new stuff we’re bringing to them.

Shrink, Serve, Share, Simplify — essential in the digital world.

Post-talk comments.

At some point digital just becomes part of the whole organisation.

How do you use digital to make everything stronger? (including TV) General rule: advertising follows attention. Attention has leap-frogged online, so we need to follow the consumer there.

Competitive threats? Pete thinks about competition very differently now — small companies rather than the big Kraft, Unilever one thinks of first. Could be partners, but also competition.

Need to become really good at mapping the consumer journey. Need to de-silo. Marketing, sales, brand, e-commerce. Take a shopper-centric view across all of this.

How do you get senior leadership on board? Pete finds the top often really gets it, the young people eat it for breakfast, and the barriers are usually in the middle management. Not because they don’t get it, but because the incentives aren’t there. Pete first got the management to take what seemed like a reasonable bite of the apple, and when there was success, built it out. Competitive data valuable. Memos… (they’re making news and we’re not). We’re beyond the digital tipping point, so there is a real competitive disadvantage to not have a plan/strategy released internally.

One thought on “Pete Blackshaw: Disrupting a 150-Year-Old Swiss Company in a Digital World (Swiss Marketing Vaud) [en]

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *