Comments on: Photography: Being the Model

By: Climb to the Stars (Stephanie Booth) » December 2007 Recap

Climb to the Stars (Stephanie Booth) » December 2007 Recap — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:03:12 +0000

[...] left? Photography: Being the Model, where I express that though I’m glad to have my photo taken, I do consider I have some [...]

By: Stephanie

Stephanie — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:06:31 +0000

Robin: i think you misunderstood me. I'm very happy to have my photo taken. Snap away all you like. Only, I resent the idea that I have no rights at all upon the photograph I'm in, save insisting that you delete it.

By: Stephanie

Stephanie — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:06:31 +0000

Robin: i think you misunderstood me. I’m very happy to have my photo taken. Snap away all you like. Only, I resent the idea that I have no rights at all upon the photograph I’m in, save insisting that you delete it.

By: Robin Ann Peters

Robin Ann Peters — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:12:39 +0000

You hit a very sore spot in me with regard to this topic. I am from the US and here is the scenario...

I am a photographer. I walk about..snapping away as I please. That's my prerogative and also one of my rights. That picture is mine. There is no fairy-tale joint ownership just because you are in it. I do not have the right to sell an image of you without your permission, I know that. But I am allowed to take that picture and not have to give you anything in return. I'm pretty certain I don't want you to come up to me and make me feel guilty for not doing so either.

I would gladly allow you access to my collection for a price. I'm trying to make a living too. Hopefully instead of being erased from my collection, we could strike a conversation and begin to negotiate for what you really want...pictures of yourself in 'those situations'. You should look to those photography moments as opportunities, not 'rights' infringements.

I've run into people like you before and maybe you just haven't figured out how to handle the situation, so let me please inform you how you should proceed: Kindly inform the photographer you do not want to be photographed and polity insist that they immediately delete the photograph. Please do not cause a scene. I do not have to delete you.. but if you ask nice, I would probably sympathize.

Whatever you decide, what you do will not be easy. Either ignore us, pay us, or ask us to delete you because the fact is that as soon as you step out the door of your house and leave your property...you are fair game to every photographer in the world.

By: Robin Ann Peters

Robin Ann Peters — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:12:39 +0000

You hit a very sore spot in me with regard to this topic. I am from the US and here is the scenario…

I am a photographer. I walk about..snapping away as I please. That’s my prerogative and also one of my rights. That picture is mine. There is no fairy-tale joint ownership just because you are in it. I do not have the right to sell an image of you without your permission, I know that. But I am allowed to take that picture and not have to give you anything in return. I’m pretty certain I don’t want you to come up to me and make me feel guilty for not doing so either.

I would gladly allow you access to my collection for a price. I’m trying to make a living too. Hopefully instead of being erased from my collection, we could strike a conversation and begin to negotiate for what you really want…pictures of yourself in ‘those situations’. You should look to those photography moments as opportunities, not ‘rights’ infringements.

I’ve run into people like you before and maybe you just haven’t figured out how to handle the situation, so let me please inform you how you should proceed: Kindly inform the photographer you do not want to be photographed and polity insist that they immediately delete the photograph. Please do not cause a scene. I do not have to delete you.. but if you ask nice, I would probably sympathize.

Whatever you decide, what you do will not be easy. Either ignore us, pay us, or ask us to delete you because the fact is that as soon as you step out the door of your house and leave your property…you are fair game to every photographer in the world.

By: Stephanie

Stephanie — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:34:45 +0000

Bien vu — faut que je retrouve mes sources, je suis certaine que ce “absolu” n'est pas une initiative de ma part, mais que j'ai trouvé cette expression sur un site “sérieux”. Je note, merci.

By: Frédéric

Frédéric — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:29:27 +0000

Sur la page de ciao.ch, tu écris “En Suisse, le droit à l'image est absolu.”, ce qui est un peu catégorique… La loi que tu cites (article 28) dit bien que ce droit peut être limité “par un intérêt prépondérant privé ou public, ou par la loi.” Par exemple, il peut être limité par le droit à l'information, qui fait qu'on peut photographier quelqu'un qui fait partie d'un événement d'actualité.

By: Frédéric

Frédéric — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:46:49 +0000

Merci !

By: Stephanie

Stephanie — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:34:45 +0000

Bien vu — faut que je retrouve mes sources, je suis certaine que ce “absolu” n’est pas une initiative de ma part, mais que j’ai trouvé cette expression sur un site “sérieux”. Je note, merci.

By: Frédéric

Frédéric — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:29:27 +0000

Sur la page de ciao.ch, tu écris “En Suisse, le droit à l’image est absolu.”, ce qui est un peu catégorique… La loi que tu cites (article 28) dit bien que ce droit peut être limité “par un intérêt prépondérant privé ou public, ou par la loi.” Par exemple, il peut être limité par le droit à l’information, qui fait qu’on peut photographier quelqu’un qui fait partie d’un événement d’actualité.

By: Frédéric

Frédéric — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:46:49 +0000

Merci !

By: Mark

Mark — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:22:06 +0000

Ah, that would explain why you have paparazzi hanging out behind the Ritz in Paris, but not Les Armures or Des Berges in Geneva. Interesting !

-m

By: Stephanie

Stephanie — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:46:08 +0000

Frédéric: c'est le fameux “droit à l'image” et j'explique ça sur ciao.ch, avec lien vers le texte de loi.

By: Frédéric

Frédéric — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:28:47 +0000

Stephanie, you say: "In Switzerland, for example, a person in a photograph can refuse to have it published — completely."

I'd be very interested in knowing more about this. Do you have any reference on this topic ?

Frédéric

By: NatC

NatC — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:01:07 +0000

Stephanie, the difference seems clear to me: I think you're talking about something like a policy. Whatever the photographer's rights are depending on the local laws, any agreement between the parties, and so on, there could/should be a global policy of giving a copy for personal use to the person appearing on the photo. Of course, credit should be given to the photographer upon use.
That simply makes sense to me.

Since you've been posing for the photo, you've been part of the job of creating it. You won't be credited for the picture, that's fair, but should at least be allowed to use it, as a contributor to the final product.
And also because it reflects you.
You know, when magazine journalists write an article based on someone's story/testimony or else, they send a copy of the magazine to the said person. Because it reflects and it is part of their own history.