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	<title>Comments on: Cory Doctorow: Europe&#8217;s Copyright Wars &#8211; Do We Have to Repeat the American Mistake? (Web 2.0 Expo, Berlin)</title>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-11-11 at Matthew Henty</title>
		<link>http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/11/08/cory-doctorow-copyright-wars/#comment-15218</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-11-11 at Matthew Henty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Cory Doctorow: Europe’s Copyright Wars - Do We Have to Repeat the American Mistake? (Web 2.0 Expo,... (tags: onlinerights DRM) [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Copyright, EFF Open Rights Group, and forming an opinion on digital rights. &#171; Vendorprisey</title>
		<link>http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/11/08/cory-doctorow-copyright-wars/#comment-15213</link>
		<dc:creator>Copyright, EFF Open Rights Group, and forming an opinion on digital rights. &#171; Vendorprisey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] If I&#8217;d been to Berlin for web 2.0, I would have listened to Cory Doctorow&#8217;s presentation on copyright. Instead, I&#8217;ll have to rely on Stephanie Booth&#8217;s notes. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If I&#8217;d been to Berlin for web 2.0, I would have listened to Cory Doctorow&#8217;s presentation on copyright. Instead, I&#8217;ll have to rely on Stephanie Booth&#8217;s notes. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Marie-Aude</title>
		<link>http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/11/08/cory-doctorow-copyright-wars/#comment-15222</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie-Aude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One important thing is that the US and the European law regarding &quot;copyrght&quot; on one hand and &quot;author right&quot; on the other hand are no totally similar. Copyright inclides everything ie. the &quot;moral right&quot; (not to have one&#039;s piece transformed or used in a way the author dislike), when in Europe this moral right and the financial part are two different things. In that sense, it can be important that Keith Richards copyrights are prolongated...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and it can be important alos for another reason, for anybody : there are several cases of songs / pieces and so on that really made the boom after the death of the author. Would that be fair that the big companies could make money on that easily, without paying a dime ?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s true that some actions are more targeted to &quot;Mr Anyone&quot; than to the techy professionals. That&#039;s like drug fighting : scare the ones who use it, and fight the producers with other ways. But you need to scare the users also...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At the end, it&#039;s true the majors did not find the appropriate way to  deal with this new technologies, and a re just starting to experiment new solutions. But the ones who suffered most were not the majors, they were the artists.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One important thing is that the US and the European law regarding &#8220;copyrght&#8221; on one hand and &#8220;author right&#8221; on the other hand are no totally similar. Copyright inclides everything ie. the &#8220;moral right&#8221; (not to have one&#39;s piece transformed or used in a way the author dislike), when in Europe this moral right and the financial part are two different things. In that sense, it can be important that Keith Richards copyrights are prolongated&#8230;</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>and it can be important alos for another reason, for anybody : there are several cases of songs / pieces and so on that really made the boom after the death of the author. Would that be fair that the big companies could make money on that easily, without paying a dime ?</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>It&#39;s true that some actions are more targeted to &#8220;Mr Anyone&#8221; than to the techy professionals. That&#39;s like drug fighting : scare the ones who use it, and fight the producers with other ways. But you need to scare the users also&#8230;</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>At the end, it&#39;s true the majors did not find the appropriate way to  deal with this new technologies, and a re just starting to experiment new solutions. But the ones who suffered most were not the majors, they were the artists.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Marie-Aude</title>
		<link>http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/11/08/cory-doctorow-copyright-wars/#comment-15217</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie-Aude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 07:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One important thing is that the US and the European law regarding &quot;copyrght&quot; on one hand and &quot;author right&quot; on the other hand are no totally similar. Copyright inclides everything ie. the &quot;moral right&quot; (not to have one&#039;s piece transformed or used in a way the author dislike), when in Europe this moral right and the financial part are two different things. In that sense, it can be important that Keith Richards copyrights are prolongated...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and it can be important alos for another reason, for anybody : there are several cases of songs / pieces and so on that really made the boom after the death of the author. Would that be fair that the big companies could make money on that easily, without paying a dime ?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s true that some actions are more targeted to &quot;Mr Anyone&quot; than to the techy professionals. That&#039;s like drug fighting : scare the ones who use it, and fight the producers with other ways. But you need to scare the users also...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At the end, it&#039;s true the majors did not find the appropriate way to  deal with this new technologies, and a re just starting to experiment new solutions. But the ones who suffered most were not the majors, they were the artists.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One important thing is that the US and the European law regarding &#8220;copyrght&#8221; on one hand and &#8220;author right&#8221; on the other hand are no totally similar. Copyright inclides everything ie. the &#8220;moral right&#8221; (not to have one&#8217;s piece transformed or used in a way the author dislike), when in Europe this moral right and the financial part are two different things. In that sense, it can be important that Keith Richards copyrights are prolongated&#8230;</p>

<p>and it can be important alos for another reason, for anybody : there are several cases of songs / pieces and so on that really made the boom after the death of the author. Would that be fair that the big companies could make money on that easily, without paying a dime ?</p>

<p>It&#8217;s true that some actions are more targeted to &#8220;Mr Anyone&#8221; than to the techy professionals. That&#8217;s like drug fighting : scare the ones who use it, and fight the producers with other ways. But you need to scare the users also&#8230;</p>

<p>At the end, it&#8217;s true the majors did not find the appropriate way to  deal with this new technologies, and a re just starting to experiment new solutions. But the ones who suffered most were not the majors, they were the artists.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-11-11 &#171; Matthew Henty</title>
		<link>http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/11/08/cory-doctorow-copyright-wars/#comment-15211</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-11-11 &#171; Matthew Henty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 06:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Cory Doctorow: Europe’s Copyright Wars - Do We Have to Repeat the American Mistake? (Web 2.0 Expo, Berlin) at Climb to the Stars (Stephanie Booth) (tags: onlinerights DRM) [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Apple Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-11-10</title>
		<link>http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/11/08/cory-doctorow-copyright-wars/#comment-15216</link>
		<dc:creator>Apple Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-11-10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Cory Doctorow: Europe’s Copyright Wars - Do We Have to Repeat the American Mistake? (Web 2.0 Expo, Berlin) at Climb to the Stars (Stephanie Booth) Live notes of Cory&#8217;s talk (tags: corydoctorow copyright) [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Cory Doctorow: Europe’s Copyright Wars &#8211; Do We Have to Repeat the American Mistake? (Web 2.0 Expo, Berlin) at Climb to the Stars (Stephanie Booth) Live notes of Cory&#8217;s talk (tags: corydoctorow copyright) [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Bailey</title>
		<link>http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/11/08/cory-doctorow-copyright-wars/#comment-15221</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Though I disagree with some of the things Cory said, I am glad that he emphasized that the EFF is not an abolitionist group when it comes to copyright, but revisionist.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think most deeply involved with copyright, such as myself, see room for revision and improvement but few want to actually abolish it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, reading the article and knowing what I know, it would seem to me that the U.S. should not be repeating the EU mistakes, not the other way around. The database directive, the ease of takedown under the EUCD and the crossover between design/patent and copyright.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sure, we have our screw ups when it comes to technology and anti-circumvention, but the EU is at least as messed up on some of the core issues.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Perhaps the article should be targeted at learning from each other&#039;s screw ups.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I disagree with some of the things Cory said, I am glad that he emphasized that the EFF is not an abolitionist group when it comes to copyright, but revisionist.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>I think most deeply involved with copyright, such as myself, see room for revision and improvement but few want to actually abolish it.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>However, reading the article and knowing what I know, it would seem to me that the U.S. should not be repeating the EU mistakes, not the other way around. The database directive, the ease of takedown under the EUCD and the crossover between design/patent and copyright.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>Sure, we have our screw ups when it comes to technology and anti-circumvention, but the EU is at least as messed up on some of the core issues.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>Perhaps the article should be targeted at learning from each other&#39;s screw ups.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Joe Clark</title>
		<link>http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/11/08/cory-doctorow-copyright-wars/#comment-15220</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Copyright would be unrecognizable as such if capo di tutti usual suspects Cory Doctorow had his way.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyright would be unrecognizable as such if capo di tutti usual suspects Cory Doctorow had his way.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mind Booster Noori</title>
		<link>http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/11/08/cory-doctorow-copyright-wars/#comment-15219</link>
		<dc:creator>Mind Booster Noori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wrote a couple of notes &lt;a href=&quot;http://mindboosternoori.blogspot.com/2007/11/cory-doctorow-on-web-20-expo-berlin.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;about the talk&lt;/a&gt; here... Not extensive as yourse, so thanks for working on it :-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a couple of notes <a href="http://mindboosternoori.blogspot.com/2007/11/cory-doctorow-on-web-20-expo-berlin.html" rel="nofollow">about the talk</a> here&#8230; Not extensive as yourse, so thanks for working on it <img src='http://climbtothestars.org/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Bailey</title>
		<link>http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/11/08/cory-doctorow-copyright-wars/#comment-15215</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Though I disagree with some of the things Cory said, I am glad that he emphasized that the EFF is not an abolitionist group when it comes to copyright, but revisionist.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think most deeply involved with copyright, such as myself, see room for revision and improvement but few want to actually abolish it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, reading the article and knowing what I know, it would seem to me that the U.S. should not be repeating the EU mistakes, not the other way around. The database directive, the ease of takedown under the EUCD and the crossover between design/patent and copyright.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sure, we have our screw ups when it comes to technology and anti-circumvention, but the EU is at least as messed up on some of the core issues.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Perhaps the article should be targeted at learning from each other&#039;s screw ups.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I disagree with some of the things Cory said, I am glad that he emphasized that the EFF is not an abolitionist group when it comes to copyright, but revisionist.</p>

<p>I think most deeply involved with copyright, such as myself, see room for revision and improvement but few want to actually abolish it.</p>

<p>However, reading the article and knowing what I know, it would seem to me that the U.S. should not be repeating the EU mistakes, not the other way around. The database directive, the ease of takedown under the EUCD and the crossover between design/patent and copyright.</p>

<p>Sure, we have our screw ups when it comes to technology and anti-circumvention, but the EU is at least as messed up on some of the core issues.</p>

<p>Perhaps the article should be targeted at learning from each other&#8217;s screw ups.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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