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		<title>By: Marie-Aude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie-Aude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Peter&lt;br&gt;Thanks :) I&#039;ll try it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter<br />Thanks <img src='http://climbtothestars.org/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#39;ll try it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Marie-Aude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie-Aude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Peter
Thanks :) I&#039;ll try it.&lt;/p&gt;
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Thanks <img src='http://climbtothestars.org/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;ll try it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Marie-Aude: The place is called Weinerei. I couldn&#039;t find any offical website, but here&#039;s a bit of info in some blog comments: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chowhound.com/topics/361187#2297435%3C/p&quot;&gt;http://www.chowhound.com/topics/361187#2297435&lt;/p&lt;/a&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;Enjoy!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marie-Aude: The place is called Weinerei. I couldn&#39;t find any offical website, but here&#39;s a bit of info in some blog comments: <a href="http://www.chowhound.com/topics/361187#2297435%3C/p">http://www.chowhound.com/topics/361187#2297435&lt;/p</a>&gt;<br /></p><p>Enjoy!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Marie-Aude: The place is called Weinerei. I couldn&#039;t find any offical website, but here&#039;s a bit of info in some blog comments: http://www.chowhound.com/topics/361187#2297435&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Enjoy!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marie-Aude: The place is called Weinerei. I couldn&#8217;t find any offical website, but here&#8217;s a bit of info in some blog comments: <a href="http://www.chowhound.com/topics/361187#2297435" rel="nofollow">http://www.chowhound.com/topics/361187#2297435</a></p>

<p>Enjoy!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/07/09/against-splitting-the-bill/#comment-13584</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can&#039;t argue that this should be settled before spending, but regarding the various methods described here, not everything is face value. What about ambiance and venue?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A million dollar interior is not covered by a water and a salad. Trendy panache is not covered by your single glass of iced tea and appetizer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you came alone to have water and a salad you would not get a table.. because you generate a loss and take up space somene else desires. Why do you think you can come with a group and just pay for your water and salad? You are asking the group to subsidize your enjoyment of the amenities.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you go out with friends be prepared to be generous. Your friends will appreciate the offer, even if they don&#039;t accept it. One day, when you need a friend, you will be glad your friends are prepared to be generous.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#39;t argue that this should be settled before spending, but regarding the various methods described here, not everything is face value. What about ambiance and venue?</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>A million dollar interior is not covered by a water and a salad. Trendy panache is not covered by your single glass of iced tea and appetizer.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>If you came alone to have water and a salad you would not get a table.. because you generate a loss and take up space somene else desires. Why do you think you can come with a group and just pay for your water and salad? You are asking the group to subsidize your enjoyment of the amenities.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>If you go out with friends be prepared to be generous. Your friends will appreciate the offer, even if they don&#39;t accept it. One day, when you need a friend, you will be glad your friends are prepared to be generous.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can&#039;t argue that this should be settled before spending, but regarding the various methods described here, not everything is face value. What about ambiance and venue?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A million dollar interior is not covered by a water and a salad. Trendy panache is not covered by your single glass of iced tea and appetizer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you came alone to have water and a salad you would not get a table.. because you generate a loss and take up space somene else desires. Why do you think you can come with a group and just pay for your water and salad? You are asking the group to subsidize your enjoyment of the amenities.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you go out with friends be prepared to be generous. Your friends will appreciate the offer, even if they don&#039;t accept it. One day, when you need a friend, you will be glad your friends are prepared to be generous.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t argue that this should be settled before spending, but regarding the various methods described here, not everything is face value. What about ambiance and venue?</p>

<p>A million dollar interior is not covered by a water and a salad. Trendy panache is not covered by your single glass of iced tea and appetizer.</p>

<p>If you came alone to have water and a salad you would not get a table.. because you generate a loss and take up space somene else desires. Why do you think you can come with a group and just pay for your water and salad? You are asking the group to subsidize your enjoyment of the amenities.</p>

<p>If you go out with friends be prepared to be generous. Your friends will appreciate the offer, even if they don&#8217;t accept it. One day, when you need a friend, you will be glad your friends are prepared to be generous.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Manual trackback: &lt;a href=&quot;http://crueltobekind.org/archive/2007-07-18/dont_force_me_to_split_a_bill_%3C/p&quot;&gt;http://crueltobekind.org/archive/2007-07-18/don...&lt;/a&gt;&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manual trackback: <a href="http://crueltobekind.org/archive/2007-07-18/dont_force_me_to_split_a_bill_%3C/p">http://crueltobekind.org/archive/2007-07-18/don&#8230;</a>&gt;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/07/09/against-splitting-the-bill/#comment-13553</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Manual trackback: http://crueltobekind.org/archive/2007-07-18/dont_force_me_to_split_a_bill_&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manual trackback: <a href="http://crueltobekind.org/archive/2007-07-18/dont_force_me_to_split_a_bill_" rel="nofollow">http://crueltobekind.org/archive/2007-07-18/dont_force_me_to_split_a_bill_</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Marie-Aude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie-Aude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Peter, could you give the adress of this restaurant in Berlin ? :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, could you give the adress of this restaurant in Berlin ? <img src='http://climbtothestars.org/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nicole Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t like splitting the bill evenly for the very simple fact that I usually never consume the kind of thing others do and while I may feel like inviting somebody else, I am not comfortable doing that in a normal condition.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t drink wine, I don&#039;t drink alcohol, but I do drink a lot of water, usually at least one or two, and if I find something nice on the  menue I like to order more - but as I am picky too, it may very well be that I choose only a very limited small selection. Or something really expensive.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Either way, I am usually always NEVER with what the rest of the crowd does, either I am using up much more, or much less than the rest.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I could make a smiley face and say I don&#039;t care, but I do. I could &quot;be nice&quot; and just swallow it up, but I won&#039;t because I see no reason to.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree with Stephanie on that if everybody pays, that is taking advantage of, and more than once I have overheard those happy &quot;yeah we like to share and it is great!!!&quot; people afterwards grumpling about how X did have so much more. It is fake in many cases.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is a good reminder though to pay attention to &#039;group&#039; habbit and make things clear in the beginning.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Something I feel comfortable with for example is a combined thing - I pay my share first (remember, this being either much more or much less) and the rest can go for a shared meal if they like, I do not mind that at all.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If this makes the rest of the group uncomfortable I am sorry, but I rather am at peace with myself than just make somebody else comfortable. Tara&#039;s argument of &quot;oh but that is just greedy individualism whereas the other one is cool collective&quot; does not go with me either IN THIS SPECIFIC case.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Collective for me is not about being made equal all the time, but for me to have a choice and an agreement with the group I am in that this is the direction how we all think is good to go. There has to be compromise on both side usually, which is fine, but that is about it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In this specific case just reading how it worked I would have expected from you to pay for the starters, since you ordered it (my perspective: usually resulting in a lot of stuff I have no interest in eating) and after that it is up to everyone to organize themselves.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The cultural side of it being that you pay for the birthday girl - over here it is more responsibility for the host to invite everybody is another dimension to it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To sum it up - it is not easy and needs talking. But there is not the case of &quot;my way is the only one which is the correct one&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t like splitting the bill evenly for the very simple fact that I usually never consume the kind of thing others do and while I may feel like inviting somebody else, I am not comfortable doing that in a normal condition.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>I don&#39;t drink wine, I don&#39;t drink alcohol, but I do drink a lot of water, usually at least one or two, and if I find something nice on the  menue I like to order more &#8211; but as I am picky too, it may very well be that I choose only a very limited small selection. Or something really expensive.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>Either way, I am usually always NEVER with what the rest of the crowd does, either I am using up much more, or much less than the rest.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>I could make a smiley face and say I don&#39;t care, but I do. I could &#8220;be nice&#8221; and just swallow it up, but I won&#39;t because I see no reason to.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>I agree with Stephanie on that if everybody pays, that is taking advantage of, and more than once I have overheard those happy &#8220;yeah we like to share and it is great!!!&#8221; people afterwards grumpling about how X did have so much more. It is fake in many cases.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>It is a good reminder though to pay attention to &#39;group&#39; habbit and make things clear in the beginning.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>Something I feel comfortable with for example is a combined thing &#8211; I pay my share first (remember, this being either much more or much less) and the rest can go for a shared meal if they like, I do not mind that at all.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>If this makes the rest of the group uncomfortable I am sorry, but I rather am at peace with myself than just make somebody else comfortable. Tara&#39;s argument of &#8220;oh but that is just greedy individualism whereas the other one is cool collective&#8221; does not go with me either IN THIS SPECIFIC case.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>Collective for me is not about being made equal all the time, but for me to have a choice and an agreement with the group I am in that this is the direction how we all think is good to go. There has to be compromise on both side usually, which is fine, but that is about it.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>In this specific case just reading how it worked I would have expected from you to pay for the starters, since you ordered it (my perspective: usually resulting in a lot of stuff I have no interest in eating) and after that it is up to everyone to organize themselves.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>The cultural side of it being that you pay for the birthday girl &#8211; over here it is more responsibility for the host to invite everybody is another dimension to it.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>To sum it up &#8211; it is not easy and needs talking. But there is not the case of &#8220;my way is the only one which is the correct one&#8221;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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