Comments on: Borders: Intentionally Misleading Marketing Ploy http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/ Stephanie Booth's online ramblings. Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:40:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Stephanie http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-430910 Stephanie Sun, 17 Jun 2007 03:24:37 +0000 http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-430910 <p>Here it is in Switzerland: compare.</p> <p><br></p> <p><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/bunny/557892242/" rel="nofollow">http://flickr.com/photos/bunny/557892242/</a></p> Here it is in Switzerland: compare.

http://flickr.com/photos/bunny/557892242/

]]> By: Stephanie http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-203311 Stephanie Sat, 16 Jun 2007 21:24:37 +0000 http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-203311 <p>Here it is in Switzerland: compare.</p> <p><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/bunny/557892242/" rel="nofollow">http://flickr.com/photos/bunny/557892242/</a></p> Here it is in Switzerland: compare.

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]]> By: Peter http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-430909 Peter Wed, 23 May 2007 22:46:32 +0000 http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-430909 <p>I think Fabienne introduces an interesting point when she says "it is not dishonest in the sense that the terms here are stated in full, and clearly".<br>Our judgement, nowadays, is increasingly governed by the legal aspects rather than responsible action. We are no longer able to use our own (or accept others') sense of responsibility and fall back on what "they" say is right or wrong and write into the statute books.<br>I see a similarity between the large settlements for spilling a hot drink over yourself and the Borders label. It seems we need an addendum to "It's all fair in love and war" which would read "and use of the legal system for financial gain." - personal or corporate.<br>Of course we need a legal system, but one that encourages responsibility, not manipulation.<br>I believe we must all work to reverse the trend that to be honest is to be a wimp.</p> I think Fabienne introduces an interesting point when she says “it is not dishonest in the sense that the terms here are stated in full, and clearly”.
Our judgement, nowadays, is increasingly governed by the legal aspects rather than responsible action. We are no longer able to use our own (or accept others') sense of responsibility and fall back on what “they” say is right or wrong and write into the statute books.
I see a similarity between the large settlements for spilling a hot drink over yourself and the Borders label. It seems we need an addendum to “It's all fair in love and war” which would read “and use of the legal system for financial gain.” - personal or corporate.
Of course we need a legal system, but one that encourages responsibility, not manipulation.
I believe we must all work to reverse the trend that to be honest is to be a wimp.

]]> By: Peter http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-186339 Peter Wed, 23 May 2007 16:46:32 +0000 http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-186339 <p>I think Fabienne introduces an interesting point when she says "it is not dishonest in the sense that the terms here are stated in full, and clearly". Our judgement, nowadays, is increasingly governed by the legal aspects rather than responsible action. We are no longer able to use our own (or accept others') sense of responsibility and fall back on what "they" say is right or wrong and write into the statute books. I see a similarity between the large settlements for spilling a hot drink over yourself and the Borders label. It seems we need an addendum to "It's all fair in love and war" which would read "and use of the legal system for financial gain." - personal or corporate. Of course we need a legal system, but one that encourages responsibility, not manipulation. I believe we must all work to reverse the trend that to be honest is to be a wimp.</p> I think Fabienne introduces an interesting point when she says “it is not dishonest in the sense that the terms here are stated in full, and clearly”.
Our judgement, nowadays, is increasingly governed by the legal aspects rather than responsible action. We are no longer able to use our own (or accept others’) sense of responsibility and fall back on what “they” say is right or wrong and write into the statute books.
I see a similarity between the large settlements for spilling a hot drink over yourself and the Borders label. It seems we need an addendum to “It’s all fair in love and war” which would read “and use of the legal system for financial gain.” - personal or corporate.
Of course we need a legal system, but one that encourages responsibility, not manipulation.
I believe we must all work to reverse the trend that to be honest is to be a wimp.

]]> By: Stephanie http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-430908 Stephanie Tue, 22 May 2007 14:20:56 +0000 http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-430908 <p>Graham: I think that people who are exposed to marketing ploys tend to become immune to them (well, of course, as we become immune to advertising), to the point where not only are they not taken in anymore, but these naughty tricks are perceived as "normal".</p> <p><br></p> <p>Fabienne: I agree (in theory) that one must read the fine print. And yes, had I read the fine print, I would not have been taken in. However: (1) the fine print, in this case, is not only barely <em>readable</em>, but barely <em>visible</em>. To read it, you need to <em>see</em> it. When looking at the sticker, it looks like just another line under the big thick one underlining "BORDERS". (2) Having fine print that clarifies things doesn't make it honest. It's still a dirty trick to play on customers, and not the kind of marketing I want to support.</p> Graham: I think that people who are exposed to marketing ploys tend to become immune to them (well, of course, as we become immune to advertising), to the point where not only are they not taken in anymore, but these naughty tricks are perceived as “normal”.

Fabienne: I agree (in theory) that one must read the fine print. And yes, had I read the fine print, I would not have been taken in. However: (1) the fine print, in this case, is not only barely readable, but barely visible. To read it, you need to see it. When looking at the sticker, it looks like just another line under the big thick one underlining “BORDERS”. (2) Having fine print that clarifies things doesn't make it honest. It's still a dirty trick to play on customers, and not the kind of marketing I want to support.

]]> By: justgraham http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-430907 justgraham Tue, 22 May 2007 12:22:13 +0000 http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-430907 <p>Hmm, I read this one *exactly the same way Steph. Might it be because we are less exposed here in Switzerland to this sort of marketing ploy.</p> <p><br></p> <p>I agree with you on this and I'm biting my lip and struggling with a strong envy to rant on similar ploys that we are seeing regularly.</p> <p><br></p> <p>I'll stop right here if you don't mind. :-)</p> Hmm, I read this one *exactly the same way Steph. Might it be because we are less exposed here in Switzerland to this sort of marketing ploy.

I agree with you on this and I'm biting my lip and struggling with a strong envy to rant on similar ploys that we are seeing regularly.

I'll stop right here if you don't mind. :-)

]]> By: Stephanie http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-185693 Stephanie Tue, 22 May 2007 08:20:56 +0000 http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-185693 <p>Graham: I think that people who are exposed to marketing ploys tend to become immune to them (well, of course, as we become immune to advertising), to the point where not only are they not taken in anymore, but these naughty tricks are perceived as "normal".</p> <p>Fabienne: I agree (in theory) that one must read the fine print. And yes, had I read the fine print, I would not have been taken in. However: (1) the fine print, in this case, is not only barely <em>readable</em>, but barely <em>visible</em>. To read it, you need to <em>see</em> it. When looking at the sticker, it looks like just another line under the big thick one underlining "BORDERS". (2) Having fine print that clarifies things doesn't make it honest. It's still a dirty trick to play on customers, and not the kind of marketing I want to support.</p> Graham: I think that people who are exposed to marketing ploys tend to become immune to them (well, of course, as we become immune to advertising), to the point where not only are they not taken in anymore, but these naughty tricks are perceived as “normal”.

Fabienne: I agree (in theory) that one must read the fine print. And yes, had I read the fine print, I would not have been taken in. However: (1) the fine print, in this case, is not only barely readable, but barely visible. To read it, you need to see it. When looking at the sticker, it looks like just another line under the big thick one underlining “BORDERS”. (2) Having fine print that clarifies things doesn’t make it honest. It’s still a dirty trick to play on customers, and not the kind of marketing I want to support.

]]> By: justgraham http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-185674 justgraham Tue, 22 May 2007 06:22:13 +0000 http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-185674 <p>Hmm, I read this one *exactly the same way Steph. Might it be because we are less exposed here in Switzerland to this sort of marketing ploy.</p> <p>I agree with you on this and I'm biting my lip and struggling with a strong envy to rant on similar ploys that we are seeing regularly.</p> <p>I'll stop right here if you don't mind. :-)</p> Hmm, I read this one *exactly the same way Steph. Might it be because we are less exposed here in Switzerland to this sort of marketing ploy.

I agree with you on this and I’m biting my lip and struggling with a strong envy to rant on similar ploys that we are seeing regularly.

I’ll stop right here if you don’t mind. :-)

]]> By: funkypitt http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-430906 funkypitt Tue, 22 May 2007 02:17:56 +0000 http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-430906 <p>Completely off topic, but "A Fine Balance" is a fine book. Seeing that cover reminded me of my latest trip to India, which was, well, way too long ago (just like yours, I suppose).</p> Completely off topic, but “A Fine Balance” is a fine book. Seeing that cover reminded me of my latest trip to India, which was, well, way too long ago (just like yours, I suppose).

]]> By: fabienne http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-430905 fabienne Mon, 21 May 2007 22:45:42 +0000 http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-430905 <p>IMHO, the job of marketing people is to sell, and they do so by attracting customers with special offers like this one.</p> <p><br></p> <p>I agree that the font size in this particular case might be misleading, yet it is not dishonest in the sense that the terms here are stated in full and clearly.</p> <p><br></p> <p>As customers in a very competitive world (even for books) we have to be aware, and careful. Always read the fine prints twice !</p> IMHO, the job of marketing people is to sell, and they do so by attracting customers with special offers like this one.

I agree that the font size in this particular case might be misleading, yet it is not dishonest in the sense that the terms here are stated in full and clearly.

As customers in a very competitive world (even for books) we have to be aware, and careful. Always read the fine prints twice !

]]> By: Stephanie http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-430904 Stephanie Mon, 21 May 2007 21:12:40 +0000 http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-430904 <p>Why do you feel the need to defend Borders? Unless you read the small print, it is not "very clear that it is buy one, get one half price". Not at all. The lettering is designed in a way to encourage the other interpretation.</p> <p><br></p> <p>It's not "clever", it's dishonest.</p> <p><br></p> <p>Why people feel the need to defend Borders on this one is beyond me. And yes, of course I can go shopping for books elsewhere. But that's beside the point.</p> <p><br></p> <p>In my opinion, the job of marketing people should not be "tricking or misleading customers". That's not the world I want to fight for.</p> Why do you feel the need to defend Borders? Unless you read the small print, it is not “very clear that it is buy one, get one half price”. Not at all. The lettering is designed in a way to encourage the other interpretation.

It's not “clever”, it's dishonest.

Why people feel the need to defend Borders on this one is beyond me. And yes, of course I can go shopping for books elsewhere. But that's beside the point.

In my opinion, the job of marketing people should not be “tricking or misleading customers”. That's not the world I want to fight for.

]]> By: funkypitt http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-185509 funkypitt Mon, 21 May 2007 20:17:56 +0000 http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-185509 <p>Completely off topic, but "A Fine Balance" is a fine book. Seeing that cover reminded me of my latest trip to India, which was, well, way too long ago (just like yours, I suppose).</p> Completely off topic, but “A Fine Balance” is a fine book. Seeing that cover reminded me of my latest trip to India, which was, well, way too long ago (just like yours, I suppose).

]]> By: Emilio http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-430903 Emilio Mon, 21 May 2007 20:01:37 +0000 http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-430903 <p>It is a pretty basic promotional mechanic and very common on the high street today. Yes the sticker have the half price bigger, but it pretty clear that is buy one get one half price. Buy one get one free is the mechanic that they use to advertise a half price offer. <br>And trust me on this one, don't waste your time complaining, as it will not make a difference.<br>From a marketing point of view it is a very clever way of delivering the message and that is marketing people doing their job. At the end of the day no one is forcing to buy your books at Borders, there are plenty of other chains out there, so the choice is yours...</p> It is a pretty basic promotional mechanic and very common on the high street today. Yes the sticker have the half price bigger, but it pretty clear that is buy one get one half price. Buy one get one free is the mechanic that they use to advertise a half price offer.
And trust me on this one, don't waste your time complaining, as it will not make a difference.
From a marketing point of view it is a very clever way of delivering the message and that is marketing people doing their job. At the end of the day no one is forcing to buy your books at Borders, there are plenty of other chains out there, so the choice is yours…

]]> By: fabienne http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-185424 fabienne Mon, 21 May 2007 16:45:42 +0000 http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-185424 <p>IMHO, the job of marketing people is to sell, and they do so by attracting customers with special offers like this one.</p> <p>I agree that the font size in this particular case might be misleading, yet it is not dishonest in the sense that the terms here are stated in full and clearly.</p> <p>As customers in a very competitive world (even for books) we have to be aware, and careful. Always read the fine prints twice !</p> IMHO, the job of marketing people is to sell, and they do so by attracting customers with special offers like this one.

I agree that the font size in this particular case might be misleading, yet it is not dishonest in the sense that the terms here are stated in full and clearly.

As customers in a very competitive world (even for books) we have to be aware, and careful. Always read the fine prints twice !

]]> By: Stephanie http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-185373 Stephanie Mon, 21 May 2007 15:12:40 +0000 http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2007/05/21/borders-intentionally-misleading-marketing-ploy/#comment-185373 <p>Why do you feel the need to defend Borders? Unless you read the small print, it is not "very clear that it is buy one, get one half price". Not at all. The lettering is designed in a way to encourage the other interpretation.</p> <p>It's not "clever", it's dishonest.</p> <p>Why people feel the need to defend Borders on this one is beyond me. And yes, of course I can go shopping for books elsewhere. But that's beside the point.</p> <p>In my opinion, the job of marketing people should not be "tricking or misleading customers". That's not the world I want to fight for.</p> Why do you feel the need to defend Borders? Unless you read the small print, it is not “very clear that it is buy one, get one half price”. Not at all. The lettering is designed in a way to encourage the other interpretation.

It’s not “clever”, it’s dishonest.

Why people feel the need to defend Borders on this one is beyond me. And yes, of course I can go shopping for books elsewhere. But that’s beside the point.

In my opinion, the job of marketing people should not be “tricking or misleading customers”. That’s not the world I want to fight for.

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