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	<title>Comments on: Games People Play: Alcoholic/Addict</title>
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		<title>By: ursula</title>
		<link>http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2002/09/22/games-people-play-alcoholicaddict/#comment-639</link>
		<dc:creator>ursula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don't think this guy has ever been to an A.A. meeting. A.A. is not some rehab center that 
can "run out of alcoholics to work on". There are no "doctors" and "counselors" waiting for 
someone to walk through the door.
 His thing about the Rescuer role is confusing. Is he referring to the fact that A.A. has 
basic foundation that the sheer act of helping another alcoholic stay sober will help the 
alcoholic his/her-self?
 Is he suggesting that alcoholics should shell out ridiculous amounts of money for some 
psychologist to put them on Zoloft?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this guy has ever been to an A.A. meeting. A.A. is not some rehab center that<br />
can &#8220;run out of alcoholics to work on&#8221;. There are no &#8220;doctors&#8221; and &#8220;counselors&#8221; waiting for<br />
someone to walk through the door.<br />
 His thing about the Rescuer role is confusing. Is he referring to the fact that A.A. has<br />
basic foundation that the sheer act of helping another alcoholic stay sober will help the<br />
alcoholic his/her-self?<br />
 Is he suggesting that alcoholics should shell out ridiculous amounts of money for some<br />
psychologist to put them on Zoloft?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://climbtothestars.org/archives/2002/09/22/games-people-play-alcoholicaddict/#comment-640</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There was a footnote to that statement which I didn't include, you might want to check it out 
for more details on his research: Berne, Eric MD, Layman's Guide to Psychiatry and 
Psychoanalysis, (New York: Simon &#38; Schuster, 1957, P.191)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To my knowledge, Transactional Analysis does not encourage the use of drugs (legal or not) to 
come out of destructive games.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The "Rescuer" is a necessary component of the game 'Alcoholic'. You might have heard of the 
general triangle "victim-persecutor-savior", which applies to this situation. The role of the 
"savior" is not more "healthy/mature" than that of "victim" or "persecutor". It is a dynamic 
in which each role plays a part and is necessary.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here are more details from the chapter on this game in the book:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;"In game analysis there is no such thing as alcoholism or 'an alcoholic', but there is a role 
called the Alcoholic in a certain type of game. If a biochemical or physiological abnormality 
is the prime mover in excessive drinking - and that is still open to some question - then its 
study belongs in the field of internal medicine. Game analysis is interested in something 
quite different - the kinds of social transactions that are related to such excesses. Hence 
the game 'Alcoholic'.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In its full flower this is a five-handed game, although the roles may be condensed so that it 
starts off and terminates as a two-handed one. The central role is that of the Alcoholic - the 
one who is 'it' - played by White. The chief supporting role is that of Persecutor, typically 
played by a member of the opposite sex, usually the spouse. The third role is that of Rescuer, 
usually played by someone of the same sex, often the good family doctor who is interested in 
the patient and also in drinking problems. In the classical situation the doctor successfully 
rescues the alcoholic from his habit. After White has not taken a drink for six months they 
congratulate each other. The following day White is found in the gutter."&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I've skipped Patsy and Connexion, the two remaining roles.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Doctors, support groups, and even therapists are not immune to games. 'Games People Play' 
contains a whole chapter on "consulting room games" - see the document I linked for some 
descriptions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a footnote to that statement which I didn&#8217;t include, you might want to check it out<br />
for more details on his research: Berne, Eric MD, Layman&#8217;s Guide to Psychiatry and<br />
Psychoanalysis, (New York: Simon &amp; Schuster, 1957, P.191)</p>
<p>To my knowledge, Transactional Analysis does not encourage the use of drugs (legal or not) to<br />
come out of destructive games.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Rescuer&#8221; is a necessary component of the game &#8216;Alcoholic&#8217;. You might have heard of the<br />
general triangle &#8220;victim-persecutor-savior&#8221;, which applies to this situation. The role of the<br />
&#8220;savior&#8221; is not more &#8220;healthy/mature&#8221; than that of &#8220;victim&#8221; or &#8220;persecutor&#8221;. It is a dynamic<br />
in which each role plays a part and is necessary.</p>
<p>Here are more details from the chapter on this game in the book:</p>
<p>&#8220;In game analysis there is no such thing as alcoholism or &#8216;an alcoholic&#8217;, but there is a role<br />
called the Alcoholic in a certain type of game. If a biochemical or physiological abnormality<br />
is the prime mover in excessive drinking - and that is still open to some question - then its<br />
study belongs in the field of internal medicine. Game analysis is interested in something<br />
quite different - the kinds of social transactions that are related to such excesses. Hence<br />
the game &#8216;Alcoholic&#8217;.</p>
<p>In its full flower this is a five-handed game, although the roles may be condensed so that it<br />
starts off and terminates as a two-handed one. The central role is that of the Alcoholic - the<br />
one who is &#8216;it&#8217; - played by White. The chief supporting role is that of Persecutor, typically<br />
played by a member of the opposite sex, usually the spouse. The third role is that of Rescuer,<br />
usually played by someone of the same sex, often the good family doctor who is interested in<br />
the patient and also in drinking problems. In the classical situation the doctor successfully<br />
rescues the alcoholic from his habit. After White has not taken a drink for six months they<br />
congratulate each other. The following day White is found in the gutter.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve skipped Patsy and Connexion, the two remaining roles.</p>
<p>Doctors, support groups, and even therapists are not immune to games. &#8216;Games People Play&#8217;<br />
contains a whole chapter on &#8220;consulting room games&#8221; - see the document I linked for some<br />
descriptions.</p>
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